Talk:Manner of articulation

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/t/ sound

I was always aware that the /t/ sound, even in the word utter, was a stop (along with its counterpart /d/). More specifically, a voiceless alveolar stop consonant. Falcon 21:57, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

you must be non-American then :) - Mustafaa 22:39, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Add tips on the simple observation of articulation?

I was trying to figure out the vowel chart. Observationally. Fingers in mouth, raising tongue to see where it hit, etc. I found external resources like Observing your articulators with suggestions on how to proceed. But not much on wikipedia itself. Perhaps add a section on practical observational anatomical phonetics? So it isn't all just odd characters and vocabulary, but instead something tangible, accessible. Something you could show to a six year old. 66.30.119.55 04:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've improved the connectivity of articulatory phonetics, which seems the intended parent of manner of articulation, place of articulation, vowel, and consonant. So that would seem to be the place to put it. 66.30.119.55 05:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Manners of articulation → Manner of articulation — This page was recently moved from Manner of articulation to Manners of articulation. Per WP:Article titles, "Article titles are generally singular in form, e.g. Horse, not Horses. Exceptions include nouns that are always in a plural form in English (e.g. scissors or trousers) and the names of classes of objects (e.g. Arabic numerals or Bantu languages)." Presumably the editor who moved the page considered manners of articulation to be a class. In linguistics, however, "manner of articulation" is commonly discussed as a parameter of articulatory phonetics, not as a catalog. Furthermore, a quick survey of six textbooks on my shelf finds that "manner of articulation" is a commonly used label, while the plural "manners of articulation" does not occur in their indexes or tables of contents. Cnilep (talk) 17:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with keeping it here or moving it back. I moved it because its my understanding that the general term is 'manners' and not 'manner' - ie. each phoneme has a manner by which its articulated, and together they form a system of 'manners' - objectively called a speaker's 'phonology.' You are right about the issue of plurals, but that applies largely to object articles rather than concept articles. This being a concept article we generally use the more abstract term. -Stevertigo (w | t | e) 18:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. a) WP:Article titles, as explained. b) the article talks about what the manner of articulation of a consonant is (for this it needs to deal with the various manners there are), i.e. a parameter. Thus the singular is, aside from more common, also more appropriate. I don't see what this being a concept article has to do with needing the plural; there is a concept of 'manner of articulation', like c) we, analogously, have Place of articulation. --JorisvS (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. Like Cnilep I've done a survey of books ranging from introductory linguistics textbooks to specialist works on phonology and "Manner", not "Manners", is the common name in the field. WP:Article titles and WP:UCN both apply here. Ergative rlt (talk) 18:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. Per nom. I don't know if I've ever even seen the phrase manners of articulation. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 01:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support move.--Luizdl (talk) 02:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support move back to singular. Phoneticians generally speak of "the manner of articulation", in the singular, of a sound. +An gr 10:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Affricates are not merely sequences of stops plus fricatives

If they were, there would be no difference between /tʃ/ and /t͡ʃ/ in, for instance, Czech words such as podšít [ˈpo̞tʃiːt] and počít [ˈpo̞t͡ʃiːt] (but there is, although, admittedly, in fast or casual speech the difference may disappear). In the former word, /t/ and /ʃ/ each belong to a different syllable, whereas in the latter, they form a single phoneme which, in turn, forms the onset of the second syllable. Other examples include pairs like práce [ˈpraːt͡ʃɛ] and prát se [ˈpraːtsɛ], pod stou [ˈpo̞tsto̞͡u] and poctou [ˈpo̞t͡sto̞͡u] and so on.--Pe t 'usek ^{[petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom]} 18:46, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Diagram contradicts section

File:IPA-euler-manners-features.svg contradicts all § Individual manners's indented items except semivowels. The section implies sibilants and laterals are contained by fricatives, flaps and trills by rhotics, and laterals by approximants, but their boxes in the Euler diagram are not completely inside their claimed hypernyms' boxes. 172.97.141.219 (talk) 11:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]